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		<title>By: panzer</title>
		<link>http://fivecentstencents.com/blog/2009/04/27/not-so-secret-diary-of-a-cpa-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-3063</link>
		<dc:creator>panzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 03:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi hanz

I think ICPAS should be better positioned to answer your question.

You could check out www.icpas.org.sg

Be well and prosper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi hanz</p>
<p>I think ICPAS should be better positioned to answer your question.</p>
<p>You could check out <a href="http://www.icpas.org.sg" rel="nofollow">http://www.icpas.org.sg</a></p>
<p>Be well and prosper.</p>
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		<title>By: hanz</title>
		<link>http://fivecentstencents.com/blog/2009/04/27/not-so-secret-diary-of-a-cpa-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-2756</link>
		<dc:creator>hanz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi panzer, great blog! I&#039;ve got a question regarding the CPA that I hope you can help. 

I&#039;m a recent accountancy graduate from one of the local unis. I&#039;m not in an accounting firm nor accounting function now. Rather, I&#039;m doing commercial banking RM (i.e. sales)/credit analysis, involving in-depth analysis of financial statements and annual reports. 

Not sure if that qualifies as relevant experience. Do I still need a mentor? Can I still work towards being a non-practicing CPA?

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi panzer, great blog! I&#8217;ve got a question regarding the CPA that I hope you can help. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a recent accountancy graduate from one of the local unis. I&#8217;m not in an accounting firm nor accounting function now. Rather, I&#8217;m doing commercial banking RM (i.e. sales)/credit analysis, involving in-depth analysis of financial statements and annual reports. </p>
<p>Not sure if that qualifies as relevant experience. Do I still need a mentor? Can I still work towards being a non-practicing CPA?</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Crumbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crumbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 07:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do have a point there - there has been an enormous growth of business service centres / outsource centres in the last few years and they have been taking on vast amounts of transactional accounting and statutory reporting type of work.  So my advice for those looking to do accounting - make sure it is specialisation or niche area which cannot be easily off shored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do have a point there &#8211; there has been an enormous growth of business service centres / outsource centres in the last few years and they have been taking on vast amounts of transactional accounting and statutory reporting type of work.  So my advice for those looking to do accounting &#8211; make sure it is specialisation or niche area which cannot be easily off shored.</p>
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		<title>By: panzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>panzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Crumbs

Great to meet someone who walked a similar path as myself and ended up in an accounting related career.

It&#039;s similar in internal audit, a lot of time is spent talking to my auditees to get information from them and to understand their business processes to assess their controls and review processes for effectiveness, efficiency and economy.

Most people equate accounting careers with financial accounting or book-keeping or churning out payroll etc. If one is not in a transaction processing role, it&#039;s actually quite an interesting job because you talk to different folks to engage them on your subject matter. And also there&#039;s the standard corporate stuff emails, meetings, HR/Financial reporting to HQ that sucks up available time as well :-)

The barriers to entry can be low if the job is more transaction processing in nature. But CPAs do have a slight edge when it comes to barriers to entry though under our current open immigration model, this barrier is becoming lower over time.

A large number of ACCA candidates are increasingly from overseas.

Be well and prosper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Crumbs</p>
<p>Great to meet someone who walked a similar path as myself and ended up in an accounting related career.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s similar in internal audit, a lot of time is spent talking to my auditees to get information from them and to understand their business processes to assess their controls and review processes for effectiveness, efficiency and economy.</p>
<p>Most people equate accounting careers with financial accounting or book-keeping or churning out payroll etc. If one is not in a transaction processing role, it&#8217;s actually quite an interesting job because you talk to different folks to engage them on your subject matter. And also there&#8217;s the standard corporate stuff emails, meetings, HR/Financial reporting to HQ that sucks up available time as well <img src='http://fivecentstencents.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The barriers to entry can be low if the job is more transaction processing in nature. But CPAs do have a slight edge when it comes to barriers to entry though under our current open immigration model, this barrier is becoming lower over time.</p>
<p>A large number of ACCA candidates are increasingly from overseas.</p>
<p>Be well and prosper.</p>
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		<title>By: Crumbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crumbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 04:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Came across your blog..interesting ...like yourself i am a totally accidental accountant!  Did A levels in Arts subjects like English lit, econs and maths ...do for sure  i had no clue that i would study accounting at Uni.  Yes like yourself i too could have done law and till today i still wonder why i didnt make that choice since academic grades werent an issue.  

Having said that, I&#039;m such a non accountant type person ..cant do mental sums, not great at excel, not really mathematical.  i started my career in the big 4 doing Tax, never did a day in audit as i felt that the hours were way too long.  Tax is interesting, spent 8 years at the big 4 and now in commercial also doing tax.  I would say 70% of my work is on communication and explaining complex infomation and managing / quantifying risks and exposures related to tax. the remaining 30% ...is really odds and ends - understanding accounting systems, how to  extract the right numbers from the systems, computing stuff etc. 

All things said and done, i dont regret being an accountant, its a good profession, not boring (as long as u dont do endless AP processing and journal entries etc), it pays decently and probably has sufficiently high barriers to entry (i.e. less riff raffs generalist to compete with you for jobs)

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Came across your blog..interesting &#8230;like yourself i am a totally accidental accountant!  Did A levels in Arts subjects like English lit, econs and maths &#8230;do for sure  i had no clue that i would study accounting at Uni.  Yes like yourself i too could have done law and till today i still wonder why i didnt make that choice since academic grades werent an issue.  </p>
<p>Having said that, I&#8217;m such a non accountant type person ..cant do mental sums, not great at excel, not really mathematical.  i started my career in the big 4 doing Tax, never did a day in audit as i felt that the hours were way too long.  Tax is interesting, spent 8 years at the big 4 and now in commercial also doing tax.  I would say 70% of my work is on communication and explaining complex infomation and managing / quantifying risks and exposures related to tax. the remaining 30% &#8230;is really odds and ends &#8211; understanding accounting systems, how to  extract the right numbers from the systems, computing stuff etc. </p>
<p>All things said and done, i dont regret being an accountant, its a good profession, not boring (as long as u dont do endless AP processing and journal entries etc), it pays decently and probably has sufficiently high barriers to entry (i.e. less riff raffs generalist to compete with you for jobs)</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: panzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>panzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi S

Yes, the attrition rate can be very high in the Big 4.

I would say working in a big 4 helps you build up your resume as it&#039;s the common starting point for many accountants, auditors and tax people in the industry.

It&#039;s tough for the 1st few years because you are at the bottom of the food chain and have to do all the tough jobs. But that&#039;s how one learns. 

However, you can also start by working as a junior accountant/finance officer in corporates and work yourself up the career ladder. There&#039;s really no fixed path. It&#039;s all about what you want and what opportunities are available.

Email me at rod.loh at gmail.com if you need more specific advice.

Be well and prosper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi S</p>
<p>Yes, the attrition rate can be very high in the Big 4.</p>
<p>I would say working in a big 4 helps you build up your resume as it&#8217;s the common starting point for many accountants, auditors and tax people in the industry.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s tough for the 1st few years because you are at the bottom of the food chain and have to do all the tough jobs. But that&#8217;s how one learns. </p>
<p>However, you can also start by working as a junior accountant/finance officer in corporates and work yourself up the career ladder. There&#8217;s really no fixed path. It&#8217;s all about what you want and what opportunities are available.</p>
<p>Email me at rod.loh at gmail.com if you need more specific advice.</p>
<p>Be well and prosper.</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
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		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Panzer, did you work as an auditor in big 4? I heard the attrition rate is very high and that is why the big 4 are able to recruit the majority of the local uni accountancy grad every year. Is it advisable to start a career in big 4 for an accounting grad or go straight to commercial accounting since majority of the people will resign after a short period in big4 due to the long hours and stress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Panzer, did you work as an auditor in big 4? I heard the attrition rate is very high and that is why the big 4 are able to recruit the majority of the local uni accountancy grad every year. Is it advisable to start a career in big 4 for an accounting grad or go straight to commercial accounting since majority of the people will resign after a short period in big4 due to the long hours and stress.</p>
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		<title>By: panzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>panzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi alex

I believe to be a practicising CPA you would need to chalk up the 3-5 years (pls check with ICPAS website) of &quot;structured experience&quot; under an approved principal, i.e. you have to be working under a practising CPA doing audit, accounting or tax. 

As the format of the forms/logbook etc. change over time, you should check with ICPAS or ACRA&#039;s Practice monitoring side on what is the current requirement.

All the best in your accounting/audit/tax career.

Be well and prosper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi alex</p>
<p>I believe to be a practicising CPA you would need to chalk up the 3-5 years (pls check with ICPAS website) of &#8220;structured experience&#8221; under an approved principal, i.e. you have to be working under a practising CPA doing audit, accounting or tax. </p>
<p>As the format of the forms/logbook etc. change over time, you should check with ICPAS or ACRA&#8217;s Practice monitoring side on what is the current requirement.</p>
<p>All the best in your accounting/audit/tax career.</p>
<p>Be well and prosper.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is certainly heartening to read your post. I personally have just graduated from NTU with a degree in accountancy. Would like to enquire on how do you qualify as a practising CPA? a degree and 3 years experience + a couple of exams will only grant you a non practising CPA.

Would i have to take up courses like CA offered by ICAEW to qualify?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is certainly heartening to read your post. I personally have just graduated from NTU with a degree in accountancy. Would like to enquire on how do you qualify as a practising CPA? a degree and 3 years experience + a couple of exams will only grant you a non practising CPA.</p>
<p>Would i have to take up courses like CA offered by ICAEW to qualify?</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it&#039;s a bit late for me to take accounting now :) CPA reminds me of the medical and law profession. These professions are regulated and one will need to be licensed such as being called to the Bar or obtain a practicing license before you can ply your trade. In this sense, there is a barrier entry to these professions and thus these jobs are well-renumerated and rather secure.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kay’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.moneytalk.sg/2009/04/swine-flu-resemblance-of-past.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Swine Flu: Resemblance of the past&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it&#8217;s a bit late for me to take accounting now <img src='http://fivecentstencents.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  CPA reminds me of the medical and law profession. These professions are regulated and one will need to be licensed such as being called to the Bar or obtain a practicing license before you can ply your trade. In this sense, there is a barrier entry to these professions and thus these jobs are well-renumerated and rather secure.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Kay’s last blog post..<a href="http://www.moneytalk.sg/2009/04/swine-flu-resemblance-of-past.html" rel="nofollow">Swine Flu: Resemblance of the past</a></em></abbr></p>
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